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	<description>The idle musings of John B</description>
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		<title>By: Matt H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.idealo.co.uk/news/2633/tesco-online-shopping-how-to-use-price-check-clubcard-and-vouchers-to-buy-groceries-online.html

I find it amazing that there are (at least) 2 sides to Tesco, one where they offer great deals and online shopping and loyalty cards etc, the other where they are tax evasion masterminds. Im no genius on tax, but it does seem like they have an internal workings philosophy and an external one that seem to be polar opposites.</description>
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<p>I find it amazing that there are (at least) 2 sides to Tesco, one where they offer great deals and online shopping and loyalty cards etc, the other where they are tax evasion masterminds. Im no genius on tax, but it does seem like they have an internal workings philosophy and an external one that seem to be polar opposites.</p>
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		<title>By: Banditry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Two bald men in &#8216;fight over comb&#8217; shock</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/02/29/on-tax-and-tesco/comment-page-1/#comment-31087</link>
		<dc:creator>Banditry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Two bald men in &#8216;fight over comb&#8217; shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, I&#8217;m sceptical that Tax Research is in much of a position to comment. As I&#8217;ve pointed out several times on this blog (and on another temporarily disappeared blog, which I will mend when I get a free weekend in the UK&#8230;), its leader Richard Murphy is equally keen to offer dubious opinions on complicated issues, and is frequently quoted in the press doing so&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, I&#8217;m sceptical that Tax Research is in much of a position to comment. As I&#8217;ve pointed out several times on this blog (and on another temporarily disappeared blog, which I will mend when I get a free weekend in the UK&#8230;), its leader Richard Murphy is equally keen to offer dubious opinions on complicated issues, and is frequently quoted in the press doing so&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PreachyPreach</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/02/29/on-tax-and-tesco/comment-page-1/#comment-30644</link>
		<dc:creator>PreachyPreach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m taking a perverse interest in Richard Murphy&#039;s bluster now. His latest, voluminous, blog post essentially boils down to:-

a) They sold 50% of the economic value of the properties to a third-party. Had they done this in a particularly stupid fashion, they&#039;d have had to pay tax as if they&#039;d sold 100% of the properties&#039; economic value. They didn&#039;t, and so have paid tax only on the 50% economic interest disposed of. Put like this, it&#039;s not really the most startling of revelations.

b) SDLT may have been avoided. This wouldn&#039;t have been paid by Tesco in any case, and certainly wouldn&#039;t have gone anywhere near the tax number in the accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taking a perverse interest in Richard Murphy&#8217;s bluster now. His latest, voluminous, blog post essentially boils down to:-</p>
<p>a) They sold 50% of the economic value of the properties to a third-party. Had they done this in a particularly stupid fashion, they&#8217;d have had to pay tax as if they&#8217;d sold 100% of the properties&#8217; economic value. They didn&#8217;t, and so have paid tax only on the 50% economic interest disposed of. Put like this, it&#8217;s not really the most startling of revelations.</p>
<p>b) SDLT may have been avoided. This wouldn&#8217;t have been paid by Tesco in any case, and certainly wouldn&#8217;t have gone anywhere near the tax number in the accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: PreachyPreach</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/02/29/on-tax-and-tesco/comment-page-1/#comment-30629</link>
		<dc:creator>PreachyPreach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/mar/12/4

Ah, they&#039;ve had to apologise for the PFI article they ran a few days later...</description>
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<p>Ah, they&#8217;ve had to apologise for the PFI article they ran a few days later&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PreachyPreach</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/02/29/on-tax-and-tesco/comment-page-1/#comment-30025</link>
		<dc:creator>PreachyPreach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, the comment was mine. I do that kind of thing for a day job, you know...

The one thing I will add, which seemed a tad gittish to actually say in the comments on the post, is that a man whose CV lists almost 30 years of tax experience, should have been able to come to the same conclusion as me with a bit of thought. It&#039;s not exactly relying on obscure bits of case law or lacunae in the legislation. [1].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, the comment was mine. I do that kind of thing for a day job, you know&#8230;</p>
<p>The one thing I will add, which seemed a tad gittish to actually say in the comments on the post, is that a man whose CV lists almost 30 years of tax experience, should have been able to come to the same conclusion as me with a bit of thought. It&#8217;s not exactly relying on obscure bits of case law or lacunae in the legislation. [1].</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/02/29/on-tax-and-tesco/comment-page-1/#comment-29897</link>
		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Luis. This is why I gave up being a journalist in favour of professions where the ability to understand things correctly and explain them unbiasedly is actually an advantage.

Well, that and the enormous shedloads of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Luis. This is why I gave up being a journalist in favour of professions where the ability to understand things correctly and explain them unbiasedly is actually an advantage.</p>
<p>Well, that and the enormous shedloads of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, most civilised European countries just exempt dividends from foreign subsidiaries (in non-tax haven countries), the UK is unusual in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, most civilised European countries just exempt dividends from foreign subsidiaries (in non-tax haven countries), the UK is unusual in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Enrique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John. This, and your Northern Rock posts, should be required reading for journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John. This, and your Northern Rock posts, should be required reading for journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, none at all - rather, it&#039;s for the benefit of the BA pension fund (which wouldn&#039;t face tax under normal circumstances, but would if it were doing this particular JV with British Land and there were no offshore component). That&#039;s based on a plausible sounding explanation in Grauniad comments, though, not on my own analysis of the deal.

Like I say, though, even if Tesco were deriving some short-term cashflow benefits from this, it can&#039;t avoid paying up in the long run. Unless it&#039;s hoping that an incoming Tory PM will declare a &lt;a href=&quot;http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL32125_20060427.pdf&quot;&gt;US-style amnesty on dividends from abroad&lt;/a&gt;, I suppose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, none at all &#8211; rather, it&#8217;s for the benefit of the BA pension fund (which wouldn&#8217;t face tax under normal circumstances, but would if it were doing this particular JV with British Land and there were no offshore component). That&#8217;s based on a plausible sounding explanation in Grauniad comments, though, not on my own analysis of the deal.</p>
<p>Like I say, though, even if Tesco were deriving some short-term cashflow benefits from this, it can&#8217;t avoid paying up in the long run. Unless it&#8217;s hoping that an incoming Tory PM will declare a <a href="http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL32125_20060427.pdf">US-style amnesty on dividends from abroad</a>, I suppose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Enrique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 

Do you know what the advantage to Tesco is of structuring the sale and leaseback via the Caymans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>Do you know what the advantage to Tesco is of structuring the sale and leaseback via the Caymans?</p>
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