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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The correlation between living in an area of London with a high murder rate and voting for Livingstone did seem to be worth a second glance - 25% of murders in 2007 were in two boroughs, Lambeth and Newham.  This does suggest that Chris has a point, with the caveat that murder figures are simultaneously the most accurate crime figures around (they get reported and investigated unless the killer has done a very good job, which isn&#039;t the case in the average testosterone-and-drink fuelled stabbing) and the least representative, being so rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The correlation between living in an area of London with a high murder rate and voting for Livingstone did seem to be worth a second glance &#8211; 25% of murders in 2007 were in two boroughs, Lambeth and Newham.  This does suggest that Chris has a point, with the caveat that murder figures are simultaneously the most accurate crime figures around (they get reported and investigated unless the killer has done a very good job, which isn&#8217;t the case in the average testosterone-and-drink fuelled stabbing) and the least representative, being so rare.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen...&quot;
 - Albert Einstein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen&#8230;&#8221;<br />
 &#8211; Albert Einstein.</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - see my comment to Chris&#039;s post - the fact that there is a small socioeconomic and geographic niche where a lot of knife crime is happening is something we need to address (although doing so by providing education and opportunities would be a significantly more effective way of doing that than going off on a &quot;our yoof is evil&quot; panic and banging the lot of them up in overcrowded jails...)

However, it&#039;s also something that The Man On The Clapham Omnibus needn&#039;t fear and isn&#039;t indicative of the UK as a whole, or even working-class inner London, becoming a lawless society where you&#039;re as likely to get stabbed as not, which is the tone of the media coverage, pretty much all right-wing commentary, and far too much left/liberal commentary on the issue.

Re the comment in question - yes, you&#039;re right that it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; wrong, in that the commenter could be a young black male on an estate in Peckham, but I&#039;d be bloody surprised if it were right - whenever I&#039;ve seen people who rant on the Internet about crime being out of control disclose where they live, the vast majority tend to live in much leafier, less gangland-y places than me (and where I live, although unleafy and inner London-y, really isn&#039;t very gangland-y at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; see my comment to Chris&#8217;s post &#8211; the fact that there is a small socioeconomic and geographic niche where a lot of knife crime is happening is something we need to address (although doing so by providing education and opportunities would be a significantly more effective way of doing that than going off on a &#8220;our yoof is evil&#8221; panic and banging the lot of them up in overcrowded jails&#8230;)</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s also something that The Man On The Clapham Omnibus needn&#8217;t fear and isn&#8217;t indicative of the UK as a whole, or even working-class inner London, becoming a lawless society where you&#8217;re as likely to get stabbed as not, which is the tone of the media coverage, pretty much all right-wing commentary, and far too much left/liberal commentary on the issue.</p>
<p>Re the comment in question &#8211; yes, you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s not <i>necessarily</i> wrong, in that the commenter could be a young black male on an estate in Peckham, but I&#8217;d be bloody surprised if it were right &#8211; whenever I&#8217;ve seen people who rant on the Internet about crime being out of control disclose where they live, the vast majority tend to live in much leafier, less gangland-y places than me (and where I live, although unleafy and inner London-y, really isn&#8217;t very gangland-y at all).</p>
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		<title>By: QuestionThat</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuestionThat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify: Even if our commenter is wrong about the aggregate statistics (overall violent crime having gone down), that doesn&#039;t mean their perception that lots of violent crime is happening around them is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify: Even if our commenter is wrong about the aggregate statistics (overall violent crime having gone down), that doesn&#8217;t mean their perception that lots of violent crime is happening around them is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: QuestionThat</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuestionThat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sceptical of a lot of academic research in the social sciences because I have the impression that much of it is driven more by leftist ideology than by an objective search for the facts. (Further reading: &#039;The Blank Slate&#039; by Steven Pinker, particularly the chapter entitled &#039;Political Scientists&#039;)

On this particular topic (violent crime rates), I expect the main problem is that which Chris Dillow (&lt;a href=&quot;http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2008/07/irrelevant-aggregate-statistics.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;) expounded on yesterday. Specifically, risk of becoming a victim of crime is very unequally distributed geographically, meaning that violent crime may be down across the country as a whole, but it may well be up by a similar percentage in the local area that your commenter lives in.

The statistics aren&#039;t necessarily wrong, but neither is Sisong necessarily wrong. There may be a lot of violent crime going on around them that doesn&#039;t show up in the aggregate statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sceptical of a lot of academic research in the social sciences because I have the impression that much of it is driven more by leftist ideology than by an objective search for the facts. (Further reading: &#8216;The Blank Slate&#8217; by Steven Pinker, particularly the chapter entitled &#8216;Political Scientists&#8217;)</p>
<p>On this particular topic (violent crime rates), I expect the main problem is that which Chris Dillow (<a href="http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2008/07/irrelevant-aggregate-statistics.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a>) expounded on yesterday. Specifically, risk of becoming a victim of crime is very unequally distributed geographically, meaning that violent crime may be down across the country as a whole, but it may well be up by a similar percentage in the local area that your commenter lives in.</p>
<p>The statistics aren&#8217;t necessarily wrong, but neither is Sisong necessarily wrong. There may be a lot of violent crime going on around them that doesn&#8217;t show up in the aggregate statistics.</p>
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