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	<title>Comments on: On knowing a man by his friends</title>
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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/07/22/on-knowing-a-man-by-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-52479</link>
		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sod it, the actual Ofcom statement is clearer than my paraphrase - 

 This view of human activity as the major cause of global warming does not appear to be challenged by any of the established political parties or other significant domestic or international institutions.

Therefore, in this case, Ofcom considers that the subject matter of Parts One to Four of the programme (i.e. the scientific theory of man-made global warming) was not a matter political or industrial controversy or a matter relating to current public policy. Having reached this view, it follows that the rules relating to the preservation of due impartiality did not apply to these parts. It is important to note that by simple virtue of the fact that one small group of people may disagree with a strongly prevailing consensus on an issue does not automatically make that issue a matter of controversy as defined in legislation and the Code and therefore a matter requiring due impartiality to be preserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sod it, the actual Ofcom statement is clearer than my paraphrase &#8211; </p>
<p> This view of human activity as the major cause of global warming does not appear to be challenged by any of the established political parties or other significant domestic or international institutions.</p>
<p>Therefore, in this case, Ofcom considers that the subject matter of Parts One to Four of the programme (i.e. the scientific theory of man-made global warming) was not a matter political or industrial controversy or a matter relating to current public policy. Having reached this view, it follows that the rules relating to the preservation of due impartiality did not apply to these parts. It is important to note that by simple virtue of the fact that one small group of people may disagree with a strongly prevailing consensus on an issue does not automatically make that issue a matter of controversy as defined in legislation and the Code and therefore a matter requiring due impartiality to be preserved.</p>
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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/07/22/on-knowing-a-man-by-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-52469</link>
		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact: Ofcom found that the programme was unfair, partial, and misrepresented significant views on the subject. 

It rejected the complaint that the programme had ‘materially misled’ the audience....

 Because the science behind Anthropogenic Global Warming is so settled that the public couldn&#039;t be misled by such ignorant bollocks.  

I paraphrase the actual words of Ofcom, but that&#039;s the gist. Sadly, as elsewhere, Ofcom  errs on the side of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact: Ofcom found that the programme was unfair, partial, and misrepresented significant views on the subject. </p>
<p>It rejected the complaint that the programme had ‘materially misled’ the audience&#8230;.</p>
<p> Because the science behind Anthropogenic Global Warming is so settled that the public couldn&#8217;t be misled by such ignorant bollocks.  </p>
<p>I paraphrase the actual words of Ofcom, but that&#8217;s the gist. Sadly, as elsewhere, Ofcom  errs on the side of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/07/22/on-knowing-a-man-by-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-51414</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Hockey Stick was just wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

The US National Academy of Science disagrees.
 
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11646</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Hockey Stick was just wrong.</i></p>
<p>The US National Academy of Science disagrees.</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11646" rel="nofollow">http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11646</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carpsio</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/07/22/on-knowing-a-man-by-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-51390</link>
		<dc:creator>Carpsio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As ever, the devil&#039;s in the context. Yes - the words &#039;unfair&#039;, &#039;impartial&#039; etc do appear in the Ofcom report, and Channel 4 were found in breach, which does constitute a nice tasty snippet on which to base a hysterical headline.

However, the reading of the detail of the report is far more nuanced than either the BBC or Guardian (or presumably yourself) would allow. Climate Audit said it better detail than I had time to, hence my link to them. I recommend you read their words.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3328
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3329
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3334

This kind of nuance is entirely lost in the BBC/Guardian reports, and I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s a coincidence that neither article saw fit to link to the actual report. Was I overly polemical myself? Possibly. But then I too have an axe to grind.

It&#039;s an attitude taken from the lead of the IPCC itself, which provides juicy headline-fodder in the summaries of its reports, knowing full well that lazy media sources will never go to the lengths of someone like Steve McIntyre to look at the actual science and statistics that are supposed to underpin every aspect of their work.

3 or 4 years ago, I was convinced of the reality of AGW and would lecture my friends about the issues down the pub. I now find myself eating humble pie, because I was wrong. The science isn&#039;t &quot;settled.&quot;

The Hockey Stick was just wrong. GISS (ironically) still refuse the acknowledge the greater accuracy of satellite date over a surface station network that is both incomplete and of uncertain quality. The quality of the sea temperature record is unknowable because the methods of measurement and effects of those methods have not been recorded. Dendrochronology is too fragmentary and contradictory (and far more than mere climate will affect the growth of any single tree). Our predictions of how carbon effects temperature are, by necessity, built into our recreation of past climates through proxies. There is no way to falsify them, for there were no thermometers. There is no way to falsify computer models for 50 years hence until we are 50 years hence. And without a falsifiable hypotheses, you don&#039;t even have a science.

Sorry to ramble, I rarely get time to blog and contribute to this debate so when I do get the chance, I tend to go on and on.... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ever, the devil&#8217;s in the context. Yes &#8211; the words &#8216;unfair&#8217;, &#8216;impartial&#8217; etc do appear in the Ofcom report, and Channel 4 were found in breach, which does constitute a nice tasty snippet on which to base a hysterical headline.</p>
<p>However, the reading of the detail of the report is far more nuanced than either the BBC or Guardian (or presumably yourself) would allow. Climate Audit said it better detail than I had time to, hence my link to them. I recommend you read their words.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3328" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3328</a><br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3329" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3329</a><br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3334" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3334</a></p>
<p>This kind of nuance is entirely lost in the BBC/Guardian reports, and I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s a coincidence that neither article saw fit to link to the actual report. Was I overly polemical myself? Possibly. But then I too have an axe to grind.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an attitude taken from the lead of the IPCC itself, which provides juicy headline-fodder in the summaries of its reports, knowing full well that lazy media sources will never go to the lengths of someone like Steve McIntyre to look at the actual science and statistics that are supposed to underpin every aspect of their work.</p>
<p>3 or 4 years ago, I was convinced of the reality of AGW and would lecture my friends about the issues down the pub. I now find myself eating humble pie, because I was wrong. The science isn&#8217;t &#8220;settled.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Hockey Stick was just wrong. GISS (ironically) still refuse the acknowledge the greater accuracy of satellite date over a surface station network that is both incomplete and of uncertain quality. The quality of the sea temperature record is unknowable because the methods of measurement and effects of those methods have not been recorded. Dendrochronology is too fragmentary and contradictory (and far more than mere climate will affect the growth of any single tree). Our predictions of how carbon effects temperature are, by necessity, built into our recreation of past climates through proxies. There is no way to falsify them, for there were no thermometers. There is no way to falsify computer models for 50 years hence until we are 50 years hence. And without a falsifiable hypotheses, you don&#8217;t even have a science.</p>
<p>Sorry to ramble, I rarely get time to blog and contribute to this debate so when I do get the chance, I tend to go on and on&#8230;. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to get wound up about the Carson thing but I&#039;ve come to the conclusion it&#039;s best to let it stand: Litmus paper for idiots, give them enough rope, etc... It shows you who is actually thinking and who is just lashing out in spite. 

Ditto Principled Libertarians (who would, by definition, have a decent understanding of economics, you&#039;d think) who are currently tinkering around with the abiotic oil idea because it&#039;s &#039;interesting&#039;.


As an aside, do these rabid (to the point of repeating obvious lies) anti-environmentalist types ever stop to consider the role the environmental movement had in the downfall of Soviet communism? I reckon it would make their heads turn inside out if they thought about it too hard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to get wound up about the Carson thing but I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion it&#8217;s best to let it stand: Litmus paper for idiots, give them enough rope, etc&#8230; It shows you who is actually thinking and who is just lashing out in spite. </p>
<p>Ditto Principled Libertarians (who would, by definition, have a decent understanding of economics, you&#8217;d think) who are currently tinkering around with the abiotic oil idea because it&#8217;s &#8216;interesting&#8217;.</p>
<p>As an aside, do these rabid (to the point of repeating obvious lies) anti-environmentalist types ever stop to consider the role the environmental movement had in the downfall of Soviet communism? I reckon it would make their heads turn inside out if they thought about it too hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paulie</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2008/07/22/on-knowing-a-man-by-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-51253</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I present a compositing motion? Libertoon = soi disant &#039;consequentialist libertarian&#039; (trans: public school tosspot who thinks that inequalities will be addressed by the benevolent trajectory of feudalism) = &#039;bloggertarian&#039; (these people only seem to exist in hypertext)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I present a compositing motion? Libertoon = soi disant &#8216;consequentialist libertarian&#8217; (trans: public school tosspot who thinks that inequalities will be addressed by the benevolent trajectory of feudalism) = &#8216;bloggertarian&#8217; (these people only seem to exist in hypertext)?</p>
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