It bangs on about minor infractions of an ideal world when committed by UK, Israel or US, but gives little coverage of atrocities & chronic breaches of human rights committed by Muslims.

Martin

No, they haven’t said that, that’s the point – they are deluding themselves that what they are describing and what they are stating as acceptable doesn’t count as domestic abuse, just as the man who hits on the 15-year-old is deluding himself that that doesn’t count as child abuse. That’s why it’s called cognitive dissonance; that’s why I raised the whole bloody subject.

The same’s true with rapists. While a small proportion do accept that they’re rapists and/or think that rape is OK, a much larger proportion believe that yes, real rape is terribly terribly bad, but that all they did was to help someone who really wanted it make up her mind, and she’s only complaining cos they didn’t ask her out afterwards, etc etc.

I think they very much have said that.

And I think you’re struggling here.

And in that context, unlike the Amnesty one, I’ve no problem with the prompting. The fact that 1 in 7 men will say something so fucking moronic, nevermind evil and misogynistic, when prompted is scary – and would have made a better and more robust campaign point than Amnesty’s original one.

But those men still wouldn’t say, when asked, that they approved of domestic abuse (similarly, 99% of men would say they disapproved of child abuse, but I’d stake my balls that at least one in seven would say that it was OK to sleep with a 15-year-old if she had big knockers, was a bit of a slapper and was well up for it).

I’ve tried to track down the Mori Ipsos poll in question, but they only seem to have published the PR so far. Given the way the PR is phrased and my experience in surveys, the questioning process for the men in question (who are still proper idiots, and who are still unequivocally wrong) will have gone like this:

Q: “do you approve of domestic abuse”
A: “no”
Q: “do you think it’s ok to give your partner a slap”
A: “err, probably not”
Q: “what about if she went out and acted like a slut at other men”
A: “well, maybe”