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		<title>By: FlyingRodent</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2009/06/28/edifying-spectacle-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-98734</link>
		<dc:creator>FlyingRodent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It were all fields round here when I were a lad, and young people had respect.  

We should bring back national service to police the non-existent British Empire, and I&#039;ll tell you what else - young people had proper respect in my day, and old twats who will never face another examination in their lives, other than the theoretical one at the Pearly Gates, know far more than people who actually have to get a job in modern reality.  Thanks.

The possibility that I&#039;m just an aged, useless arsehole whose opinion is no longer relevant to the world we live in has not yet entered my mind.  Cheers.*

*Maybe I should&#039;ve posted this in Laban&#039;s thread, but frankly, I can&#039;t face speaking to Laban.  It ages me by about ten years every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It were all fields round here when I were a lad, and young people had respect.  </p>
<p>We should bring back national service to police the non-existent British Empire, and I&#8217;ll tell you what else &#8211; young people had proper respect in my day, and old twats who will never face another examination in their lives, other than the theoretical one at the Pearly Gates, know far more than people who actually have to get a job in modern reality.  Thanks.</p>
<p>The possibility that I&#8217;m just an aged, useless arsehole whose opinion is no longer relevant to the world we live in has not yet entered my mind.  Cheers.*</p>
<p>*Maybe I should&#8217;ve posted this in Laban&#8217;s thread, but frankly, I can&#8217;t face speaking to Laban.  It ages me by about ten years every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2009/06/28/edifying-spectacle-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-98728</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s worth noting that the ambiguous question may be due to the “new” (2008) Edexcel GCE.   

I found it difficult to navigate the EDEXCEL website, but you can read the new exam spec here:
http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/spec-gce-history.pdf
[I skim read it, and didn’t see the word “despot”]

From the student’s comments on the Facebook page, there were two responses to the paper:
(a) Students who simply didn’t know what “despotic” meant; one thought it meant “chaotic”, a reading he felt was supported by the sources, and he reports the most of  rest of his class did so too;
Students who thought that “despotic” and “tyrannical” were synonyms, and were confused by the apparent tautology. 

I have quite a lot of sympathy for (b); my reading of the question would be to discuss in what ways Hitler’s Germany was a despotic as opposed to a non-despotic tyranny, which is highly non-trivial. [I should also note that my highest qualification in History is a “B” at GCSE, so this may very well be complete nonsense]. 

What none of the students has mentioned, of course, is -assuming that the question is from Unit 3, Topic D2, Section B (the sources question on Hitler’s Germany) - is that candidates are to answer “one question in section B out of a choice of two” [page 9 of the specification]. 
What was the other question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s worth noting that the ambiguous question may be due to the “new” (2008) Edexcel GCE.   </p>
<p>I found it difficult to navigate the EDEXCEL website, but you can read the new exam spec here:<br />
<a href="http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/spec-gce-history.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/spec-gce-history.pdf</a><br />
[I skim read it, and didn’t see the word “despot”]</p>
<p>From the student’s comments on the Facebook page, there were two responses to the paper:<br />
(a) Students who simply didn’t know what “despotic” meant; one thought it meant “chaotic”, a reading he felt was supported by the sources, and he reports the most of  rest of his class did so too;<br />
Students who thought that “despotic” and “tyrannical” were synonyms, and were confused by the apparent tautology. </p>
<p>I have quite a lot of sympathy for (b); my reading of the question would be to discuss in what ways Hitler’s Germany was a despotic as opposed to a non-despotic tyranny, which is highly non-trivial. [I should also note that my highest qualification in History is a “B” at GCSE, so this may very well be complete nonsense]. </p>
<p>What none of the students has mentioned, of course, is -assuming that the question is from Unit 3, Topic D2, Section B (the sources question on Hitler’s Germany) &#8211; is that candidates are to answer “one question in section B out of a choice of two” [page 9 of the specification].<br />
What was the other question?</p>
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		<title>By: septicisle</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2009/06/28/edifying-spectacle-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-98725</link>
		<dc:creator>septicisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m afraid I have to agree slightly with Duff here in that if you don&#039;t know what a despotic tyranny is then you shouldn&#039;t be doing A-level History (and if they didn&#039;t, then their teachers are as much to blame as they are), that question as a whole seems awful.  Can&#039;t remember what my last A-Level History exam question was, but pretty sure it wasn&#039;t as broad as that; we focused for a long time on the idea that his rule was one of &quot;controlled chaos&quot;, although whether that come up or not I can&#039;t recall.

More worthy of complaint was a question on a General Studies exam we did which included the idea of the &quot;nuclear family&quot;.  Most quite reasonably, especially as you don&#039;t specifically study for general studies, had no idea what a nuclear family is or was and so ended up writing about nuclear power instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m afraid I have to agree slightly with Duff here in that if you don&#8217;t know what a despotic tyranny is then you shouldn&#8217;t be doing A-level History (and if they didn&#8217;t, then their teachers are as much to blame as they are), that question as a whole seems awful.  Can&#8217;t remember what my last A-Level History exam question was, but pretty sure it wasn&#8217;t as broad as that; we focused for a long time on the idea that his rule was one of &#8220;controlled chaos&#8221;, although whether that come up or not I can&#8217;t recall.</p>
<p>More worthy of complaint was a question on a General Studies exam we did which included the idea of the &#8220;nuclear family&#8221;.  Most quite reasonably, especially as you don&#8217;t specifically study for general studies, had no idea what a nuclear family is or was and so ended up writing about nuclear power instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has teaching pupils the meaning of the word &quot;despot&quot; ever explicitly featured on any syllabus ever? If not - and I doubt it has - then all we&#039;re talking about is that some people are more widely read and pick up larger vocabularies than others. Nothing necessarily to do with either intelligence or education standards, I&#039;d have thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has teaching pupils the meaning of the word &#8220;despot&#8221; ever explicitly featured on any syllabus ever? If not &#8211; and I doubt it has &#8211; then all we&#8217;re talking about is that some people are more widely read and pick up larger vocabularies than others. Nothing necessarily to do with either intelligence or education standards, I&#8217;d have thought.</p>
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		<title>By: David Duff</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Duff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;First let&#039;s go for the teachers,
Then let&#039;s go for the educationalists,
Then let&#039;s go for the ministers of education,
And then let&#039;s go for the smart Alec&#039;s who think there is nothing wrong in 18-year-olds not understanding plain English!
And if we do, I won&#039;t say a word!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;First let&#8217;s go for the teachers,<br />
Then let&#8217;s go for the educationalists,<br />
Then let&#8217;s go for the ministers of education,<br />
And then let&#8217;s go for the smart Alec&#8217;s who think there is nothing wrong in 18-year-olds not understanding plain English!<br />
And if we do, I won&#8217;t say a word!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: EP</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2009/06/28/edifying-spectacle-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-98719</link>
		<dc:creator>EP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that, having looked at the facebook group in question a lot of the people complaining seemed to have problems with even the common usage definition of despotic (ie. as a synonym for an undemocratic, authoritarian form of government) with a lot of comments along the lines of &#039;I thought it meant chaotic&#039;. That demonstrates a worrying weakness in the students vocabulary, and I lack sympathy.

On the other hand, the question itself is not easy, applying the more detailed definition of despotic (an authoritarian regime which concentrates power into the hands of one despot) would require a bit of thought. 

If I&#039;m honest, had I been sitting the exam I reckon I would have initially been a bit stumped because the two terms are often used interchangeably, despot/tyrant, and the question thus looks a bit tautological. 

However, taking a step back I hope I would have thought for a second and realised that it was asking about &#039;despotic&#039; tyranny, as opposed to some other kind of tyranny (the tyranny of the majority). Although, that&#039;s assuming I wasn&#039;t so thrown by the question that I panicked and started writing utter crap (which has happened). Given the choice I probably would have skipped it.

So, difficult/poorly worded question still doesn&#039;t excuse the fact that a lot of the students didn&#039;t have a clue what despotic meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that, having looked at the facebook group in question a lot of the people complaining seemed to have problems with even the common usage definition of despotic (ie. as a synonym for an undemocratic, authoritarian form of government) with a lot of comments along the lines of &#8216;I thought it meant chaotic&#8217;. That demonstrates a worrying weakness in the students vocabulary, and I lack sympathy.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the question itself is not easy, applying the more detailed definition of despotic (an authoritarian regime which concentrates power into the hands of one despot) would require a bit of thought. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m honest, had I been sitting the exam I reckon I would have initially been a bit stumped because the two terms are often used interchangeably, despot/tyrant, and the question thus looks a bit tautological. </p>
<p>However, taking a step back I hope I would have thought for a second and realised that it was asking about &#8216;despotic&#8217; tyranny, as opposed to some other kind of tyranny (the tyranny of the majority). Although, that&#8217;s assuming I wasn&#8217;t so thrown by the question that I panicked and started writing utter crap (which has happened). Given the choice I probably would have skipped it.</p>
<p>So, difficult/poorly worded question still doesn&#8217;t excuse the fact that a lot of the students didn&#8217;t have a clue what despotic meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has Laban done to deserve that appellation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has Laban done to deserve that appellation?</p>
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		<title>By: David Duff</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Duff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or even &quot;comes their way via&quot; not-so-smart Alec blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or even &#8220;comes their way via&#8221; not-so-smart Alec blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.johnband.org/blog/2009/06/28/edifying-spectacle-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-98708</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it depressing that people are credulous enough to believe every piece of crap that comes their way via tittle-tattle on social networking websites, non-story hungry newswires and cash-strapped papers. 

By hey ho, it was all better in my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it depressing that people are credulous enough to believe every piece of crap that comes their way via tittle-tattle on social networking websites, non-story hungry newswires and cash-strapped papers. </p>
<p>By hey ho, it was all better in my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Falco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Falco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no particular difference between &quot;tyranny&quot; and &quot;despotic tyranny&quot; so there is a reasonable argument that adding despotic was unnecessary.

However, for an A-level student&#039;s vocabulary to be so poor that they were confused as to the meaning is very depressing. &quot;What do they teach them in schools these days?&quot;*

*Bonus points for identifying the source for the quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no particular difference between &#8220;tyranny&#8221; and &#8220;despotic tyranny&#8221; so there is a reasonable argument that adding despotic was unnecessary.</p>
<p>However, for an A-level student&#8217;s vocabulary to be so poor that they were confused as to the meaning is very depressing. &#8220;What do they teach them in schools these days?&#8221;*</p>
<p>*Bonus points for identifying the source for the quote.</p>
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